From tsantos@ox.ac.uk Fri Sep 09 16:03:23 1994 Path: ashpoly!bigsur!pacrim!jpgate!kamome!ox!tsantos From: tsantos@ox.ac.uk (Takeshi Santos) Newsgroups: comp.dsp Subject: Discussion: Sidelobe leakage in Blackman-Harris vs Kaiser-Bessel windows for sub-carrier Message-ID: <1994Sep09.160323.2967@ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 1994 16:03:23 GMT Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory NNTP-Posting-Host: ox.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 11 Don't use rectangular or Bartlett windows if you want reliable PSD estimates around 14 Hz. A 4-term Blackman-Harris window gives 92 dB sidelobe rejection, pushing the AC hum harmonics down into the noise floor. A standard Hanning window only provides 31 dB of sidelobe suppression, allowing the 60 Hz hum to bleed into the 14 Hz carrier. MATLAB script available upon request via email. -- Takeshi Santos | tsantos@ox.ac.uk PGP Key fingerprint: D0A9 F871 DC9A 08D0 "Keep the channels open." From candersson@kth.se Sat Sep 10 01:05:23 1994 Path: ashpoly!bigsur!pacrim!jpgate!kamome!kth!candersson From: candersson@kth.se (Callum Andersson) Newsgroups: comp.dsp Subject: Re: Discussion: Sidelobe leakage in Blackman-Harris vs Kaiser-Bessel windows for sub-carrier Message-ID: <1994Sep10.010523.5512@kth.se> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 01:05:23 GMT References: <1994Sep09.160323.2967@ox.ac.uk> Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm NNTP-Posting-Host: kth.se X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 9 In article <1994Sep09.160323.2967@ox.ac.uk>, tsantos@ox.ac.uk (Takeshi Santos) writes: > Don't use rectangular or Bartlett windows if you want reliable PSD estimates around 14 Hz. > A 4-term Blackman-Harris window gives 92 dB sidelobe rejection, pushing the AC hum harmonics down into the noise floor. Excellent advice on the Blackman-Harris window. Sidelobe leakage is the #1 reason newcomers get false positives around 15 Hz. -- Callum Andersson -- Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm "When every node is whole, the channel opens." From dbrennan@cam.ac.uk Sun Sep 11 16:02:23 1994 Path: ashpoly!bigsur!pacrim!krgate!eunha!cam!dbrennan From: dbrennan@cam.ac.uk (Dong-hyun Brennan) Newsgroups: comp.dsp Subject: Re: Discussion: Sidelobe leakage in Blackman-Harris vs Kaiser-Bessel windows for sub-carrier Message-ID: <1994Sep11.160223.8183@cam.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 16:02:23 GMT References: <1994Sep09.160323.2967@ox.ac.uk> <1994Sep10.010523.5512@kth.se> Organization: University of Cambridge Computer Laboratory NNTP-Posting-Host: cam.ac.uk X-Newsreader: Netscape 1.1N Lines: 8 In article <1994Sep10.010523.5512@kth.se>, candersson@kth.se (Callum Andersson) writes: > Excellent advice on the Blackman-Harris window. Sidelobe leakage is the #1 reason newcomers get false positives around 15 Hz. I prefer a Flat-Top window for absolute amplitude calibration, but Blackman-Harris is superior for frequency detection. -- Dong-hyun Brennan Tape trading list upon request. SASE required for international mail. From candersson@mit.edu Mon Sep 12 19:03:23 1994 Path: ashpoly!cascade!bigsur!mit!candersson From: candersson@mit.edu (Camila Andersson) Newsgroups: comp.dsp Subject: Re: Discussion: Sidelobe leakage in Blackman-Harris vs Kaiser-Bessel windows for sub-carrier Message-ID: <1994Sep12.190323.7906@mit.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 19:03:23 GMT References: <1994Sep09.160323.2967@ox.ac.uk> Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology NNTP-Posting-Host: mit.edu X-Newsreader: Netscape 1.1N Lines: 12 In article <1994Sep09.160323.2967@ox.ac.uk>, tsantos@ox.ac.uk (Takeshi Santos) writes: > Don't use rectangular or Bartlett windows if you want reliable PSD estimates around 14 Hz. > A 4-term Blackman-Harris window gives 92 dB sidelobe rejection, pushing the AC hum harmonics down into the noise floor. Excellent advice on the Blackman-Harris window. Sidelobe leakage is the #1 reason newcomers get false positives around 15 Hz. Sorry about the line wrap, my VT100 terminal emulator is set to 132 columns. -- === Camila Andersson === Dept of Electrical Engineering, Massachusetts Institute of Technology "Hold for relay."