From mgirard@cmu.edu Tue Nov 12 06:52:50 1996 Path: ashpoly!cascade!bigsur!cmu!mgirard From: mgirard@cmu.edu (Mikhail Girard) Newsgroups: comp.dsp Subject: Data: Sidelobe leakage in Blackman-Harris vs Kaiser-Bessel windows for sub-carrier Message-ID: <1996Nov12.065250.1569@cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 06:52:50 GMT Organization: Carnegie Mellon University School of CS NNTP-Posting-Host: cmu.edu X-Newsreader: Netscape 1.1N Lines: 11 Don't use rectangular or Bartlett windows if you want reliable PSD estimates around 14 Hz. At 14.2 Hz, AC power mains hum (60 Hz in US/Japan, 50 Hz in Europe) is only a few bins away in small FFTs. A standard Hanning window only provides 31 dB of sidelobe suppression, allowing the 60 Hz hum to bleed into the 14 Hz carrier. Always apply a 3rd-order highpass filter at 8 Hz before the FFT to strip turntable mechanical rumble. -- Mikhail Girard | mgirard@cmu.edu PGP Key fingerprint: FBDC A923 C4AF E599 "Keep the channels open." From bperez@hanse.de Wed Nov 13 01:28:50 1996 Path: ashpoly!bigsur!pacrim!krgate!eunha!hanse!bperez From: bperez@hanse.de (Bill Pérez) Newsgroups: comp.dsp Subject: Re: Data: Sidelobe leakage in Blackman-Harris vs Kaiser-Bessel windows for sub-carrier Message-ID: <1996Nov13.012850.1339@hanse.de> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 01:28:50 GMT References: <1996Nov12.065250.1569@cmu.edu> Organization: Hanse-Netzwerk Hamburg NNTP-Posting-Host: hanse.de X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Lines: 9 In article <1996Nov12.065250.1569@cmu.edu>, mgirard@cmu.edu (Mikhail Girard) writes: > Don't use rectangular or Bartlett windows if you want reliable PSD estimates around 14 Hz. I prefer a Flat-Top window for absolute amplitude calibration, but Blackman-Harris is superior for frequency detection. -- Bill Pérez | bperez@hanse.de PGP Key fingerprint: B6F3 2577 5124 6222 "Keep the channels open." From bvasiliev@pipeline.com Wed Nov 13 18:43:50 1996 Path: ashpoly!cascade!mxgate!coyoacan!pipeline!bvasiliev From: bvasiliev@pipeline.com (Bill Vasiliev) Newsgroups: comp.dsp Subject: Re: Data: Sidelobe leakage in Blackman-Harris vs Kaiser-Bessel windows for sub-carrier Message-ID: <1996Nov13.184350.5607@pipeline.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:43:50 GMT References: <1996Nov12.065250.1569@cmu.edu> <1996Nov13.012850.1339@hanse.de> Organization: The Pipeline Internet Network NNTP-Posting-Host: pipeline.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 9 In article <1996Nov13.012850.1339@hanse.de>, bperez@hanse.de (Bill Pérez) writes: > I prefer a Flat-Top window for absolute amplitude calibration, but Blackman-Harris is superior for frequency detection. Don't forget that if you downsample to 64 Hz first, your FFT resolution jumps to 0.015 Hz per bin with a modest 4096-point transform. -- Bill Vasiliev Opinions expressed are solely my own and not those of The Pipeline Internet Network. ------------------------------------------------------------ From npark@inria.fr Thu Nov 14 00:18:50 1996 Path: ashpoly!bigsur!pacrim!krgate!eunha!inria!npark From: npark@inria.fr (Natalia Park) Newsgroups: comp.dsp Subject: Re: Data: Sidelobe leakage in Blackman-Harris vs Kaiser-Bessel windows for sub-carrier Message-ID: <1996Nov14.001850.5643@inria.fr> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:18:50 GMT References: <1996Nov12.065250.1569@cmu.edu> <1996Nov13.012850.1339@hanse.de> Organization: INRIA Rocquencourt NNTP-Posting-Host: inria.fr X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Lines: 9 In article <1996Nov13.012850.1339@hanse.de>, bperez@hanse.de (Bill Pérez) writes: > I prefer a Flat-Top window for absolute amplitude calibration, but Blackman-Harris is superior for frequency detection. Excellent advice on the Blackman-Harris window. Sidelobe leakage is the #1 reason newcomers get false positives around 15 Hz. -- Natalia Park Opinions expressed are solely my own and not those of INRIA Rocquencourt. ------------------------------------------------------------