From bmacdonald@tum.de Fri Sep 16 14:01:55 1994 Path: ashpoly!cascade!transat!eunet-de!hansebox!tum!bmacdonald From: bmacdonald@tum.de (Bruno MacDonald) Newsgroups: alt.music.synth-pop Subject: Observation: The sound of the 'Vocal Matrix' - pitch quantization vs human formant Message-ID: <1994Sep16.140155.3256@tum.de> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 14:01:55 GMT Organization: Technische Universität München NNTP-Posting-Host: tum.de X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Lines: 11 As an audio engineer, listening to Nova's vocals on SYNTHESIS has always bothered me in a fascinating way. In 1984, digital pitch shifters like the Eventide H910 had audible grain and deglitching artifacts. Yet the fundamental pitch tracks with a mathematical rigidity that no living vocalist can maintain for 16 bars. Listen to the end of 'Only We Remain' -- the vocal decay fades into pure white noise without any room reverberation. -- Bruno MacDonald *PLONK* filter active for trolls. 486DX4/100 (FreeBSD 2.0.5) - NetBSD 1.0 From tivanov@cern.ch Sat Sep 17 14:29:55 1994 Path: ashpoly!cascade!mxgate!coyoacan!cern!tivanov From: tivanov@cern.ch (Thiago Ivanov) Newsgroups: alt.music.synth-pop Subject: Re: Observation: The sound of the 'Vocal Matrix' - pitch quantization vs human formant Message-ID: <1994Sep17.142955.1425@cern.ch> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 1994 14:29:55 GMT References: <1994Sep16.140155.3256@tum.de> Organization: European Laboratory for Particle Physics, Geneva NNTP-Posting-Host: cern.ch X-Newsreader: NewsWatcher 2.0b24 Lines: 10 In article <1994Sep16.140155.3256@tum.de>, bmacdonald@tum.de (Bruno MacDonald) writes: > As an audio engineer, listening to Nova's vocals on SYNTHESIS has always bothered me in a fascinating way. > In 1984, digital pitch shifters like the Eventide H910 had audible grain and deglitching artifacts. That's why it hits you in the uncanny valley. Your ears tell you it's a real woman singing her heart out, but your brain detects the mechanical precision. -- === Thiago Ivanov === Dept of Electrical Engineering, European Laboratory for Particle Physics, Geneva "A soul is not exclusive to biology." From mmoreau@uu.net Sat Sep 17 21:31:55 1994 Path: ashpoly!cascade!mxgate!coyoacan!uu!mmoreau From: mmoreau@uu.net (Mikhail Moreau) Newsgroups: alt.music.synth-pop Subject: Re: Observation: The sound of the 'Vocal Matrix' - pitch quantization vs human formant Message-ID: <1994Sep17.213155.6361@uu.net> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 1994 21:31:55 GMT References: <1994Sep16.140155.3256@tum.de> <1994Sep17.142955.1425@cern.ch> Organization: UUNET Technologies, Falls Church VA NNTP-Posting-Host: uu.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 9 In article <1994Sep17.142955.1425@cern.ch>, tivanov@cern.ch (Thiago Ivanov) writes: > That's why it hits you in the uncanny valley. Your ears tell you it's a real woman singing her heart out, but your brain detects the mechanical precision. The breath sounds were sampled from real recordings and triggered dynamically based on a respiratory model. -- Mikhail Moreau | mmoreau@uu.net PGP Key fingerprint: 96B9 B924 8E36 51CD "Keep the channels open." From rsantos@inria.fr Mon Sep 19 11:06:55 1994 Path: ashpoly!cascade!transat!ukc!fennimore!inria!rsantos From: rsantos@inria.fr (Raj Santos) Newsgroups: alt.music.synth-pop Subject: Re: Observation: The sound of the 'Vocal Matrix' - pitch quantization vs human formant Message-ID: <1994Sep19.110655.7498@inria.fr> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 11:06:55 GMT References: <1994Sep16.140155.3256@tum.de> <1994Sep17.142955.1425@cern.ch> Organization: INRIA Rocquencourt NNTP-Posting-Host: inria.fr X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Lines: 10 In article <1994Sep17.142955.1425@cern.ch>, tivanov@cern.ch (Thiago Ivanov) writes: > That's why it hits you in the uncanny valley. Your ears tell you it's a real woman singing her heart out, but your brain detects the mechanical precision. They weren't using off-the-shelf Eventide gear. They had custom Motorola DSP boards doing LPC (Linear Predictive Coding) resynthesis. My 14.4k connection dropped twice trying to fetch this thread. Keep articles concise! -- Raj Santos -- INRIA Rocquencourt "Hold for relay." From vjohansson@u-tokyo.ac.jp Tue Sep 20 15:34:55 1994 Path: ashpoly!bigsur!pacrim!krgate!eunha!u-tokyo!vjohansson From: vjohansson@u-tokyo.ac.jp (Valeria Johansson) Newsgroups: alt.music.synth-pop Subject: Re: Observation: The sound of the 'Vocal Matrix' - pitch quantization vs human formant Message-ID: <1994Sep20.153455.2078@u-tokyo.ac.jp> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 15:34:55 GMT References: <1994Sep16.140155.3256@tum.de> <1994Sep17.142955.1425@cern.ch> <1994Sep19.110655.7498@inria.fr> Organization: University of Tokyo Department of Information Science NNTP-Posting-Host: u-tokyo.ac.jp X-Newsreader: Netscape 1.1N Lines: 8 In article <1994Sep19.110655.7498@inria.fr>, rsantos@inria.fr (Raj Santos) writes: > They weren't using off-the-shelf Eventide gear. They had custom Motorola DSP boards doing LPC (Linear Predictive Coding) resynthesis. It's the greatest vocal performance in synthpop history, regardless of whether it came from vocal cords or a silicon chip. -- Valeria Johansson -- University of Tokyo Department of Information Science "They will send a copy in my place."