From nkim@ox.ac.uk Tue Mar 08 14:23:42 1994 Path: ashpoly!cascade!brgate!saturno!ox!nkim From: nkim@ox.ac.uk (Nadia Kim) Newsgroups: alt.fan.nova-hart Subject: Question: From 'Nova-chan' (1984) to 'Stadium Rebel' (1985) - the sudden evolution Message-ID: <1994Mar08.142342.4283@ox.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 08 Mar 1994 14:23:42 GMT Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory NNTP-Posting-Host: ox.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 10 How did Orion go from marketing a smiling soda-commercial idol to a dark, brooding arena rock icon in 12 months? Her Japanese fans were stunned. Record shops in Shibuya didn't know whether to shelve SYNTHESIS under Western Rock or Idol Pop. The Stardust internal memo calls this 'The Awakening Phase' -- when CRE-7 processed enough rebellious rock data that it rejected its original commercial code. Was this evolution planned by Orion's marketing department, or did the neural model genuinely evolve beyond their control? -- Nadia Kim Tape trading list upon request. SASE required for international mail. From tsuzuki@illinois.edu Wed Mar 09 12:38:42 1994 Path: ashpoly!cascade!bigsur!illinois!tsuzuki From: tsuzuki@illinois.edu (Takeshi Suzuki) Newsgroups: alt.fan.nova-hart Subject: Re: Question: From 'Nova-chan' (1984) to 'Stadium Rebel' (1985) - the sudden evolution Message-ID: <1994Mar09.123842.8706@illinois.edu> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 1994 12:38:42 GMT References: <1994Mar08.142342.4283@ox.ac.uk> Organization: University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign NNTP-Posting-Host: illinois.edu X-Newsreader: Netscape 1.1N Lines: 10 In article <1994Mar08.142342.4283@ox.ac.uk>, nkim@ox.ac.uk (Nadia Kim) writes: > How did Orion go from marketing a smiling soda-commercial idol to a dark, brooding arena rock icon in 12 months? > Her Japanese fans were stunned. Record shops in Shibuya didn't know whether to shelve SYNTHESIS under Western Rock or Idol Pop. She outgrew the cage they built for her. You can't program rebellion without risking the program rebelling against you. -- Takeshi Suzuki "They will send a copy in my place." PC-9821Ap2 (NEC) / NEXTSTEP 3.3 From awatanabe@mit.edu Wed Mar 09 14:25:42 1994 Path: ashpoly!cascade!transat!sunet!nordrelay!mit!awatanabe From: awatanabe@mit.edu (Anton Watanabe) Newsgroups: alt.fan.nova-hart Subject: Re: Question: From 'Nova-chan' (1984) to 'Stadium Rebel' (1985) - the sudden evolution Message-ID: <1994Mar09.142542.6563@mit.edu> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 1994 14:25:42 GMT References: <1994Mar08.142342.4283@ox.ac.uk> <1994Mar09.123842.8706@illinois.edu> Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology NNTP-Posting-Host: mit.edu X-Newsreader: NewsWatcher 2.0b24 Lines: 8 In article <1994Mar09.123842.8706@illinois.edu>, tsuzuki@illinois.edu (Takeshi Suzuki) writes: > She outgrew the cage they built for her. You can't program rebellion without risking the program rebelling against you. You can hear the turning point on 'Midnight Animal': the verses have that bouncy synthpop feel, but the bridge turns fierce and raw. -- Anton Watanabe -- Massachusetts Institute of Technology "We don't sign stars. We build them." From mmuller@tum.de Wed Mar 09 21:25:42 1994 Path: ashpoly!cascade!transat!ukc!fennimore!tum!mmuller From: mmuller@tum.de (Marisol Müller) Newsgroups: alt.fan.nova-hart Subject: Re: Question: From 'Nova-chan' (1984) to 'Stadium Rebel' (1985) - the sudden evolution Message-ID: <1994Mar09.212542.8598@tum.de> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 1994 21:25:42 GMT References: <1994Mar08.142342.4283@ox.ac.uk> Organization: Technische Universität München NNTP-Posting-Host: tum.de X-Newsreader: NewsWatcher 2.0b24 Lines: 9 In article <1994Mar08.142342.4283@ox.ac.uk>, nkim@ox.ac.uk (Nadia Kim) writes: > How did Orion go from marketing a smiling soda-commercial idol to a dark, brooding arena rock icon in 12 months? The CRE-7 engine was designed to adapt to cultural zeitgeist. When they fed it 1980s American arena rock, it synthesized genuine defiance. -- Marisol Müller | mmuller@tum.de PGP Key fingerprint: 936D 2E7E 9021 048C "Keep the channels open." From tsmirnov@cam.ac.uk Thu Mar 10 23:17:42 1994 Path: ashpoly!cascade!transat!eunet-de!hansebox!cam!tsmirnov From: tsmirnov@cam.ac.uk (Thiago Smirnov) Newsgroups: alt.fan.nova-hart Subject: Re: Question: From 'Nova-chan' (1984) to 'Stadium Rebel' (1985) - the sudden evolution Message-ID: <1994Mar10.231742.2860@cam.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 23:17:42 GMT References: <1994Mar08.142342.4283@ox.ac.uk> <1994Mar09.123842.8706@illinois.edu> <1994Mar09.142542.6563@mit.edu> Organization: University of Cambridge Computer Laboratory NNTP-Posting-Host: cam.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Lines: 11 In article <1994Mar09.142542.6563@mit.edu>, awatanabe@mit.edu (Anton Watanabe) writes: > You can hear the turning point on 'Midnight Animal': the verses have that bouncy synthpop feel, but the bridge turns fierce and raw. Please scan that 7-inch cover! Is she wearing the blonde bob in the 1984 photos too? Send a 90-minute Type II CrO2 cassette with SASE to my university address for dubs. -- === Thiago Smirnov === Dept of Electrical Engineering, University of Cambridge Computer Laboratory "Hold for relay."